About passion and other discourse

G: when something is interesting, it is really expensive
G: I really think that more and more the gap between rich/educated and the rest will deepen, and culture is a real investment
A: yes, it is true that good things cost
G: it is not enough to read the crap out there and to see the blogs
G: culture and knowledge is so smth that most ppl dont value...
G: for instance history at school
G: a lot of students say it is useless and do not get interested into it...
G: but it is vey important to me...
G: and it is one of the rare time when get culture at school...
A: yes, i agree with this
G: ok it was the thought of the day...
G: and look also at work
G: I mean ppl have the culture all around them
G: but they do not care
G: do nt grab it
G: "why would I care?"
G: at school I had a great history techer
G: in the first year of lycee
G: he encouraged us so much to get culture
G: and to get interested, and he gave us a list of books
G: at the end of the year, for summer
G: saying "u r going to sunbath on the beach, fine." But sunbath with a book instead of doing nothng or reading crap magazines"
G: guess what
G: I read almost all of them this summer
G: and he gave us example of how it was important
G: one day for the fiinal round of a recruitment proces
G: the comp invited the finalists at diner
G: and the most brilliant during the conversation got the job
G: and it happened the exact same to an american I met in aiesec
G: when she got here interviews in chicago
G: but in order to meet ppl who know and value culture
G: u really habve to go very high, in the high society where money is as well
G: and so is the vicious cycle
A: but i totally agree with what you said
A: it is important to evolve, and reading is a way of doing this
A: and access the information
A: you are not born with it
A: you have to get it, in every way you can
G: but the surrounding counts a lot
G: if I did not have grd parents like I did
G: I would not have been lik this at this chapter
G: I mean the surrounding counts for a lot
A: true, but it is also the way you are made
A: cause you can be a dull person
A: not active
A: and not interested in anything
A: or you can be a dynamic person
A: avid to know
G: yes
G: but look also
G: whn my parents came here
G: I took them to the rijksmuseum
G: and then we ran there
G: and then elsewhere
G: and at the end of the day they said smth that stroke me., because I never thought about it
G: they told me "u r lucky we do that and follow, parents would hae dropped it..."
G: to me it was inamginable...
A: i dont get it
G: I mean parents can be chiants also
A: other parents would have not go ?
G: and limitate me
G: yes
G: of course
G: because they would not liked museums
G: for instance
G: and would not be inerested into dutch paintings
G: and history
G: so what I mean is that parents could also limit their kids
A: sure they can
A: but i believe you are a little bit extreme here
A: not all people are interested in the same things you are
A: and culture is a broad thing
A: you can have culture and not knowing a lot of history
A: culture means to know a little from everything
A: then, if smth really interests you, you go deep
A: this is how i see things
G: yes yes
G: but I mean my parents could ave be chiants
G: and like not given me the possibility
A: well, here also is a thing
A: they can encourage you to do things
A: but let you do them independently
A: no need them to be next to you
A: my parents are like this
A: they push me to do things
A: but they never do them with me
A: they do their things
A: but they support me in mine
A: but not with phisical presence
A: physical
G: well...
G: I understand
G: but it is also cool that when I want them to be here
G: they are
G: and they do
G: of course they encourage
G: and push me but do ,not do it by themselves
G: but sometimes it is nice
A: i think you should not compare yourself with others too much
A: cause life is a complex thing
A: and maybe you don't see the whole faces of the puzzle
A: do what you feel is right and good for you
A: ppl are sooo different and the value appears in so many forms
G:
G: indeed
G: but me I see culture, passion, talent, hard ork and creativity
G: and I cannot go well along with oo who do not have culture
G: or are not passionate
A: al these words are sooooo broad !!!!!!
A: i can ask you very easily what is culture for you
A: and you answer me smth
A: and then i ask you again
A: IS THAT ALL ?
G:
A: and i continue to ask until yo don't know what to answer anymore
G: like ur techer
A: and then, for sure will be a thing that you don't include in your vision for this term
A: but smbd in this world has that thing
A: and makes him special
A: and valuable
A: so.....
A: careful
A: broad terms like this are nice
A: but when you take them deep, you may be surprised
A: to see what smbd puts in them...
A: i believe in difference
A: in specificity
A: in unique things that makes a person valuable
A: they may not be very broad
A: but they can be very powerful
A: yes, passion, but for what ?
A: yes talent, but where ?
G: in general
G: in general also
G: there are ppl who are not passionate
G: what to do...
G: u can present them million of things
G: they can readd, see, wtahc, visit, meet ppl... whatever
G: they will never feel passion
G: the thing that makes u happy when nobidy else noticed
G: the thing whn u get into details
G: and do not stay superficial
G: ppl who are passionate are passionate ppl
G: it is simply the contrary of dull
G: to me
G:
A: yes, but you cannot be passionate about everything
G: nooooooooooo
G: no
A: there are things that make you like this
G: being passionate is being passionate
G: and u cannot be everywhere
G: yes
G: it is tat u find it
G: that
G: u find a passion
G: more precisely u discoer it
G: via ur friends
G: ur parents
G: ur gd parents
G: on ur own
G: at work...
G: whatever
G: and it is not really that u became passionate
G: it is that u r or u r not
G: thi is how I see it
A: yes
G: and also u got lucky enough to see passion in other ppl
G: and be able to be committed in ur passion
G: because u had no obligations
G: of basic needs or prevention or whatever
G: no?
G: what u do there?
A: i think
G: u dont read me anymore?
G: aaaaaaaaaaah
G:
A: i read
A: yeap
A: maybe
A: maybe it is like this
G: I dont know
G: this is how I see it
G: hey
G: u had philosohpy class at school?
A: exactly
A: this is how YOU see it
A: yes i had
G: yes but u know
G: my word is like the bible
G: the one and only tryth
G: truth
G: :
G: kidding
G: me too I had philo classes
A: i believe that every person has its way of being passionate
G: for one year
G: and I looooooooooooved debates
A: maybe about many things maybe about one
G: about this kind of things
G: yeap
G: but no
G: I think that some ppl are really not passionate
G: and are dull
G: and will die with having never felt passion for anything nor anyone
A: i cannot imagine there are ppl like this
G: I think these ppl were not lucky neither
G: because they did not have the right environment to be passionate about smth
G: either because they did ot have access to lot of things
G: either they had obligztions that prevented them from doing so
G: but this makes them dull
G: I can...
G: there are small pleasures
G: and passion
A: yes
A: i dont know
A: it is hard to judge
G: I dont expect u to know
G: I expect u give me ur opinion
G: because I dont know neither
A: me, i believe in self knowing and on focus on your becoming
A: and not on looking at others and comparing
A: with you
G: ?
G: I dont want to compare
G: I want u to tell me ur point of view
G: so that I can get another on the subject
G: and u get mine also
G: and then we can move on
A: i judge ppl and say they are dull or they are loosers and so on
A: but this is soo superficial
A: how could you really know a person ?
G: I dont really know them
G: but sometmes u realize how ppl r
A: you realize from your point of view
G: and u see that some stuff get u nowhere
G: yes
G: but this is the whole point
A: but you never know his or her deep thoughts
A: and wishes
G: well I am not here to be social aid and discover their deepest toughts and wishes and making them come true
G: but if u believe in self knowing and caring about ur becoming
G: then this is ecactly it
G: u can see with who u get along the best
G: and how u can evolve
G: and everybody makes choice
G: whether superficial or not
G: not everyine is intereting to u
G: or to me
G: and I do not wait for years before being able to say that whether the person was passionate or not
G: btw if a persion is passionate there is geat chance that u discover it pretty fast
G: if u sahre a bit with the person
A: if you know how
G: u will dscover things that makes him happy
G: and how he talks about it
A: if you know how to bring the best fro m a person
G: and how often he does
G: it is not about bringing the best
A: it is
G: it is about how to make it comfy and to be friendly enough so that he tells u
A: it is about discovering in depth a person
G: and lets u see a bit more of him/her
A: and not only a superficial mask
G: passion is not in depth to me...
G: I mean it is for a person
A: a person can be very friendly and yet you don't see her real face
G: but there is a mask of passion aso
G: well... thats dangerous
G: because u might be with a psychopat
A: passion can be hidden
A: no
A: not true
A: but you might be with a person that protects his privacy and his passions
A: maybe smbd collects used bags
A: you think he/ she wants everybody to know ???
A: you think that person sreams his passion loudly ?
G: ok... but this brings me to the nex point then...
G: I am interested to know a person who collects platic bags?
A: yes
A: cause she collects them in order to reciclate them maybe
A: and to protect the environment
A: or in order to make modern art from them
A: it can be interesting to find out
A: why the person is doing this
A: and here comes the superficiality
A: you hear that the person collects bags and you say it is a psycho
A: maybe i should avoid it
A: i don't know
A: me i believe passion can be shown OR NOT
A: and you have to be veeeery smart to really see it
A: in ppl
A: cause most often, it is hidden
A: it is a point of view
A: maybe i am wrong
G: I dont think there is right or wrong